taw's blog

The best kittens, technology, and video games blog in the world.

Sunday, December 20, 2020

Ranking of all EU4 religions


I used same bonus scoring as with idea groups. There are a few issues with this approach, beyond the usual limitations:

  • you can pick any idea groups as any country, not so much with religions
  • countries with different idea groups don't hate you
  • peasants with different idea groups don't hate you
  • religions don't just have static bonuses, usually they have some mechanics, with conditional bonuses, and each works differently
  • I only scores persistent bonuses, so Papal interactions (pretty good) and Anglican buttons (awful) are excluded from this
  • Counter-Reformation is not counted
  • ability to become HRE emperor is not counted
  • religions also get custom decisions (Christians get a lot of benefits here), special government types (Muslims get bonuses), ability to take over China (pagans/Eastern), and so on - none of that is scored
  • special estates (Hindu / Muslim) are not scored

So I stand behind these rankings less than behind my idea group rankings. Still, it's an interesting exercise.

Summary of results

  • S Tier - Fully Reformed New World religions (for above everything else, but you need to get there first)
  • A Tier - maxed out Orthodox with icons (hard to achieve early), Ibadi, Catholic as Curia Controller (hard to do reliably)
  • B Tier - Sunni, Shiite, maxed out Coptic, more realistic Orthodox, Fetishist + Mazdayasna (really hard to get), Buddhist + neutral karma (basically impossible)
  • C Tier - Hindu, Protestant, Hussite, Shinto + Isolationism, Fetishist + most cults, Buddhist + high karma (basically impossible)
  • D Tier - everything else
  • F Tier - Confucian with low harmony (either harmonizing everything; or converting peasents to your faith will do that)

I'm mostly surprised by how low Hindu got ranked. I'm also really surprised by how well Fetishist is doing, but I was just barely aware of its existence.

All scores

  • 7.383500 - Mayan + Tribal Expansion + Reform the Bureaucracy + Central Arbitration + Central Armories + A Unified Army
  • 7.183200 - Nahuatl + 0% Doom + Tribal Expansion + Warrior Ranks + Extend Pochteca Obligations + Open up Sumptuary Restrictions + Legal Reform
  • 7.113500 - Mayan + Tribal Expansion + Reform the Bureaucracy + Central Arbitration + Central Armories
  • 7.038800 - Nahuatl + 0% Doom + Tribal Expansion + Warrior Ranks + Extend Pochteca Obligations + Open up Sumptuary Restrictions
  • 6.980600 - Inti + 100% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy + Reform the Bureaucracy + Yana Lords + Organized Recruitment + Reform the Cult of Inti
  • 6.730600 - Inti + 100% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy + Reform the Bureaucracy + Yana Lords + Organized Recruitment
  • 6.616700 - Mayan + Tribal Expansion + Reform the Bureaucracy + Central Arbitration
  • 6.570000 - Nahuatl + 0% Doom + Tribal Expansion + Warrior Ranks + Extend Pochteca Obligations
  • 6.444500 - Inti + 50% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy + Reform the Bureaucracy + Yana Lords + Organized Recruitment + Reform the Cult of Inti
  • 6.370600 - Inti + 100% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy + Reform the Bureaucracy + Yana Lords
  • 6.194500 - Inti + 50% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy + Reform the Bureaucracy + Yana Lords + Organized Recruitment
  • 6.183200 - Nahuatl + 50% Doom + Tribal Expansion + Warrior Ranks + Extend Pochteca Obligations + Open up Sumptuary Restrictions + Legal Reform
  • 6.038800 - Nahuatl + 50% Doom + Tribal Expansion + Warrior Ranks + Extend Pochteca Obligations + Open up Sumptuary Restrictions
  • 5.908400 - Inti + 0% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy + Reform the Bureaucracy + Yana Lords + Organized Recruitment + Reform the Cult of Inti
  • 5.834500 - Inti + 50% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy + Reform the Bureaucracy + Yana Lords
  • 5.830600 - Inti + 100% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy + Reform the Bureaucracy
  • 5.820000 - Nahuatl + 0% Doom + Tribal Expansion + Warrior Ranks
  • 5.658400 - Inti + 0% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy + Reform the Bureaucracy + Yana Lords + Organized Recruitment
  • 5.616700 - Mayan + Tribal Expansion + Reform the Bureaucracy
  • 5.570000 - Nahuatl + 50% Doom + Tribal Expansion + Warrior Ranks + Extend Pochteca Obligations
  • 5.298400 - Inti + 0% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy + Reform the Bureaucracy + Yana Lords
  • 5.294500 - Inti + 50% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy + Reform the Bureaucracy
  • 5.183200 - Nahuatl + 100% Doom + Tribal Expansion + Warrior Ranks + Extend Pochteca Obligations + Open up Sumptuary Restrictions + Legal Reform
  • 5.038800 - Nahuatl + 100% Doom + Tribal Expansion + Warrior Ranks + Extend Pochteca Obligations + Open up Sumptuary Restrictions
  • 4.820000 - Nahuatl + 50% Doom + Tribal Expansion + Warrior Ranks
  • 4.772200 - Inti + 100% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy
  • 4.758400 - Inti + 0% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy + Reform the Bureaucracy
  • 4.740000 - Nahuatl + 0% Doom + Tribal Expansion
  • 4.570000 - Nahuatl + 100% Doom + Tribal Expansion + Warrior Ranks + Extend Pochteca Obligations
  • 4.268700 - Orthodox 100% Patriarchy + Icon of Eleusa
  • 4.236100 - Inti + 50% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy
  • 4.172200 - Orthodox 100% Patriarchy + Icon of St. Michael
  • 3.992000 - Ibadi + Shafi'i + Legalism
  • 3.820000 - Nahuatl + 100% Doom + Tribal Expansion + Warrior Ranks
  • 3.752200 - Catholic + Curia Controller
  • 3.740000 - Nahuatl + 50% Doom + Tribal Expansion
  • 3.732200 - Orthodox 100% Patriarchy + Icon of St. Nicholas
  • 3.700000 - Inti + 0% Authority + Expanded Mitma Policy
  • 3.692000 - Ibadi + Ismaili + Legalism
  • 3.656000 - Ibadi + Shafi'i + Mysticism
  • 3.576000 - Sunni + Shafi'i + Legalism
  • 3.546000 - Shia + Ismaili + Legalism
  • 3.532000 - Ibadi + Zaidi + Legalism
  • 3.532000 - Ibadi + Jafari + Legalism
  • 3.508400 - Coptic + Promote Territorial Rights + Send Monks to Establish Monasteries + Will of the Martyrs + Legitimize Government + Encourage Warriors of the Faith
  • 3.500000 - Mayan + Tribal Expansion
  • 3.492000 - Ibadi + Hanbali + Legalism
  • 3.386000 - Shia + Zaidi + Legalism
  • 3.386000 - Shia + Jafari + Legalism
  • 3.380000 - Mahayana + Neutral Karma
  • 3.375000 - Vajrayana + Neutral Karma
  • 3.370000 - Theravada + Neutral Karma
  • 3.356000 - Ibadi + Ismaili + Mysticism
  • 3.280000 - Fetishist + Mazdayasna
  • 3.252000 - Ibadi + Hanafi + Legalism
  • 3.240000 - Sunni + Shafi'i + Mysticism
  • 3.210000 - Shia + Ismaili + Mysticism
  • 3.196000 - Ibadi + Zaidi + Mysticism
  • 3.196000 - Ibadi + Jafari + Mysticism
  • 3.185900 - Ibadi + Maliki + Legalism
  • 3.156000 - Ibadi + Hanbali + Mysticism
  • 3.154100 - Orthodox 100% Patriarchy + Icon of Christ Pantocrator
  • 3.148400 - Coptic + Promote Territorial Rights + Send Monks to Establish Monasteries + Will of the Martyrs + Legitimize Government
  • 3.076000 - Sunni + Hanbali + Legalism
  • 3.063700 - Orthodox 50% Patriarchy + Icon of Eleusa
  • 3.050000 - Shia + Zaidi + Mysticism
  • 3.050000 - Shia + Jafari + Mysticism
  • 2.967200 - Orthodox 50% Patriarchy + Icon of St. Michael
  • 2.916000 - Ibadi + Hanafi + Mysticism
  • 2.852200 - Orthodox 100% Patriarchy + Icon of St. John Climacus
  • 2.849900 - Ibadi + Maliki + Mysticism
  • 2.836000 - Sunni + Hanafi + Legalism
  • 2.820000 - Sikh + Guru Amar Das
  • 2.769900 - Sunni + Maliki + Legalism
  • 2.740000 - Sunni + Hanbali + Mysticism
  • 2.740000 - Nahuatl + 100% Doom + Tribal Expansion
  • 2.732200 - Orthodox 100% Patriarchy + No Icon
  • 2.698400 - Coptic + Promote Territorial Rights + Send Monks to Establish Monasteries + Will of the Martyrs
  • 2.527200 - Orthodox 50% Patriarchy + Icon of St. Nicholas
  • 2.500000 - Sunni + Hanafi + Mysticism
  • 2.433900 - Sunni + Maliki + Mysticism
  • 2.378000 - Hussite + Taborite Resurgence + Sola Scriptura + Bread and Wine
  • 2.280000 - Fetishist + Waaq
  • 2.280000 - Fetishist + Nyame
  • 2.158400 - Coptic + Promote Territorial Rights + Send Monks to Establish Monasteries
  • 2.128000 - Protestant + Holy Sacraments + Translated Bibles + Adult Baptism
  • 2.100000 - Reformed + Fervent focus on stability
  • 1.949100 - Orthodox 50% Patriarchy + Icon of Christ Pantocrator
  • 1.927800 - Sikh + Guru Gobind Singh
  • 1.910000 - Sikh + Guru Granth Sahib
  • 1.900000 - Sikh + Guru Hargobind
  • 1.858700 - Orthodox 0% Patriarchy + Icon of Eleusa
  • 1.820000 - Fetishist + Mwari
  • 1.820000 - Fetishist + Enkai
  • 1.820000 - Sikh + Guru Har Rai
  • 1.790000 - Hindu + Ganesha
  • 1.780000 - Fetishist + Mlira
  • 1.762200 - Orthodox 0% Patriarchy + Icon of St. Michael
  • 1.748800 - Fetishist + Zanahary
  • 1.720000 - Hindu + Shakti
  • 1.698400 - Hindu + Shiva
  • 1.696000 - Fetishist + Sanatana Dharma
  • 1.680000 - Fetishist + Cwezi
  • 1.647200 - Orthodox 50% Patriarchy + Icon of St. John Climacus
  • 1.590000 - Hindu + Vishnu
  • 1.580000 - Tengri + Shinto
  • 1.572200 - Inti + 100% Authority
  • 1.560000 - Fetishist + Freyja
  • 1.550000 - Fetishist + Teotl
  • 1.540000 - Shinto + Isolationism (3)
  • 1.540000 - Nahuatl + 0% Doom
  • 1.527200 - Orthodox 50% Patriarchy + No Icon
  • 1.520000 - Fetishist + Haymanot
  • 1.473900 - Fetishist + Buddhadharma
  • 1.420000 - Sikh + Guru Angad
  • 1.408400 - Coptic + Promote Territorial Rights
  • 1.400000 - Fetishist + Roog
  • 1.380000 - Fetishist + Christianity
  • 1.343000 - Fetishist + Yemoja
  • 1.322200 - Orthodox 0% Patriarchy + Icon of St. Nicholas
  • 1.300000 - Mahayana + High Karma
  • 1.295000 - Vajrayana + High Karma
  • 1.290000 - Theravada + High Karma
  • 1.280000 - Fetishist + Islam
  • 1.268000 - Shinto + Selective Integration (2)
  • 1.250000 - Tengri + Zoroastrian
  • 1.200000 - Shinto + Open Doors (0)
  • 1.180400 - Norse + Odin
  • 1.152000 - Norse + Tyr
  • 1.050000 - Tengri + Catholic
  • 1.036100 - Inti + 50% Authority
  • 1.020000 - Sikh + Guru Arjan
  • 0.998000 - Hindu + Surya
  • 0.943900 - Tengri + Theravada
  • 0.929600 - Shinto + Closed Doors (4)
  • 0.920000 - Sikh + Guru Tegh Bahadur
  • 0.900000 - Norse + Snotra
  • 0.892200 - Sikh + Guru Ram Das
  • 0.840000 - Mahayana + Low Karma
  • 0.835000 - Vajrayana + Low Karma
  • 0.830000 - Theravada + Low Karma
  • 0.820000 - Zoroastrian
  • 0.820000 - Sikh + No Guru
  • 0.820000 - Sikh + Guru Granth Sahib
  • 0.820000 - Confucian + High Harmony
  • 0.808000 - Norse + Njord
  • 0.770000 - Tengri + Sikh
  • 0.760000 - Norse + Freya
  • 0.750000 - Totemist
  • 0.750000 - Animist
  • 0.744100 - Orthodox 0% Patriarchy + Icon of Christ Pantocrator
  • 0.740000 - Tengri + Reformed
  • 0.733900 - Shinto + Adaptive (1)
  • 0.712000 - Norse + Tor
  • 0.700000 - Reformed + Fervent focus on war
  • 0.633000 - Hindu + Ganga
  • 0.600000 - Tengri + Coptic
  • 0.592200 - Tengri + Confucian
  • 0.580000 - Reformed + Fervent focus on trade
  • 0.570000 - Confucian
  • 0.568000 - Tengri + Mahayana
  • 0.550000 - Jewish
  • 0.540000 - Nahuatl + 50% Doom
  • 0.530000 - Tengri + Totemist
  • 0.530000 - Tengri + Fetishist
  • 0.530000 - Tengri + Animist
  • 0.510000 - Tengri + Shia
  • 0.500000 - Tengri + Protestant
  • 0.500000 - Tengri + Inti
  • 0.500000 - Tengri + Anglican
  • 0.500000 - Inti + 0% Authority
  • 0.450000 - Tengri + Orthodox
  • 0.442200 - Orthodox 0% Patriarchy + Icon of St. John Climacus
  • 0.420100 - Anglican
  • 0.350000 - Coptic
  • 0.322200 - Orthodox 0% Patriarchy + No Icon
  • 0.320000 - Tengri + Sunni
  • 0.320000 - Sikh + Guru Har Krishan
  • 0.305000 - Tengri + Hindu
  • 0.300000 - Tengri + Ibadi
  • 0.300000 - Mayan
  • 0.290000 - Tengri + Jewish
  • 0.270000 - Tengri + Nahuatl
  • 0.250000 - Tengri + Vajrayana
  • 0.225000 - Catholic
  • 0.135000 - Tengri + Hussite
  • 0.122200 - Tengri + Mayan
  • 0.100000 - Reformed + No Fervor
  • 0.041300 - Tengri + Norse
  • -0.460000 - Nahuatl + 100% Doom
  • -1.164800 - Confucian + Low Harmony

Posted by taw at 07:11

Labels:

Add to:

4 comments:

Quickshot said...

I see you're still making these, interesting the new world religions are still pretty good. Though of course reforming them and surviving the Europeans early on sets you back a bit time wise. So that might some what balance out in a sense?

21:23
Anonymous said...

Being New World primitive has massive penalties, so it makes sense rewards are also great. North Americans have no such broken mechanics, but next patch/DLC is supposed to give them something.

Interestingly, Maya, Nahuatl, and Inti are 3 religions you cannot flip to through rebels.
The only reasonable way to go Nahuatl or Inti is flip to some regular pagan religion (Animist or Tengri most likely), then getting specific province before Christians get it first, and flipping by event. Maya doesn't have any such events.

To play as Maya I think the only ways are:

* using nation designer
* bankrupting as OPM with Maya province as capital
* converting tons of lands to Maya by rebels, then releasing vassal with majority Maya cores and playing as that vassal
* being pagan with less than 100% warscore worth of provinces, fighting Maya nation, and offering conversion as peace terms

All a huge hassle.

23:10
taw said...

And for completeness, if you harmonize all 10 available religions as Confucian, and then regain harmony, which would take into ~1785, you get:

2.634500 - Confucian + High Harmony + All Harmony Bonuses

Events sort of speed that up, and you should skip Jewish, as there are almost no Jewish peasants, and that bonus is rated as worth exactly 0 (it's +15% institution spread; absolutely worthless).

So you can probably finish by ~1720s or so. Christian has shitty bonus (-5% stab cost), but you pretty much need to harmonize it due to how many there are. Zoroastrian has very few peasants, but +10% trade efficiency is one of the best bonuses.

Overall, Confucian is its own garbage tier.

01:57
Quickshot said...

Does seem on the weak side for that much effort to max it out, yeah.

02:11

Post a Comment

Subscribe to: Post Comments (Atom)